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Pseudolonewolf
4 years ago

Re: Ban Reversal, Shocking Twists, etc

◊ Posted by A β Pseudolonewolf
Categories: The Site
Based on the results of the polls, it looks like !!  Ratio will not be getting back in, but !!  Heiveldboy perhaps will (which isn't what I'd prefer, but oh well).

An interesting thing has been brought to my attention regarding !!  Frances though, which I shall rather clumsily reveal to the whole world now because I do think it is highly relevant!

Apparently !!  Frances and !!  Ratio are exactly the same person! Or so I've been told.

I don't know what to make of this, since I barely know who !!  Ratio is at all, but I can certainly say that I'm not incredulous. I can believe it easily enough. Whether or not I should is a whole other matter, but maybe those of you who know this person or people or whatever can take it up with them and see what comes out of it all. Oh won't we all feel like such silly fools if it does transpire that we've been taken for a ride by our old pal Ratio, though, eh?! Especially since the poll shows most people hate him, while people are much more eager to defend someone as 'vulnerable' as Frances. I suppose that says good things about those defenders, perhaps, but it would indeed be a shame if they were duped.

I was actually told to keep this a secret, to avoid causing a commotion, but for one thing, if it's true, I don't think this person deserves the protection of a mask, and also, I actually get the feeling that some of you enjoy all this fiery drama despite what you say. It certainly keeps things interesting, don't you think? Yes. "Interesting". That's a word that's so often used in substitution of actual enjoyment. There has been a surprising number of new accounts recently though! Most of which are likely the same people making multiple accounts, but still! Numbers!!

Of course, all this could also just be someone trying to spread lies to stir things up even further or whatever (in which case I suppose they've succeeded, and I say 'they' not just to protect the identity of whoever sent me this information, but because names are meaningless at this point when it could be anyone behind them, masquerading as someone they want to hurt). I don't know. It's entirely possible, and I feel the need to say this in order to remain 'neutral', or at least not completely naive. There are all these weird grudges and personal little wars that go on, full of accusations and misinformation and slings and arrows and so forth, and I become caught up in the middle of them, and expected to take action when I neither know nor, quite frankly, care about the details or anything. I've got more important things to think about than why awsumD0de is angry at BULLETMASTA236 for impersonating his sister's dog and spreading nasty lies about his favourite flavour of ice cream and/or sex position or whatever. It's why I've tried to remain distant for a long time, so then I don't have to worry about it all any longer. It all seems so petty and ridiculous.

Frances is Ratio! Aufgen is Socdemparty! Pseudolonewolf is an octopus! A particularly mean one! And did you know he abhors the Inuits and has a disturbingly carnal fondness for stoats?!

I really, really wish though that there was some way that people had a distinct identity online that was tied to their real one, so then people couldn't make multiple accounts or hide in shadows or evade bans or any of this nonsense. This freedom of anonymity or being many people or mask wearing or what-have-you is such a pain for anyone trying to keep the peace. One disturbed egotist can play games with everyone, which isn't any fun for all those people when the truth comes out.

I've also recently heard that some sadistic trolls have been invading the community under different names? Trying to turn the tides of war in one direction or another for their own amusement, trying to turn people against me or "Frances" and so on and so forth and a big old sigh! Or others saying showing apparent joy at their ability to get under my skin. It's sad how some people can apparently only derive pleasure from shooting people down... I try so hard to make stuff (I'm bad at doing a quick job of it, but try is the keyword there I suppose!), and I get happiness from other peoples' enjoyment of my creations, so people who get off on others' pain really are the bane of my existence. Still, I suppose it's the sort of thing that people do when they don't have any good to contribute, so all I suppose you can do is pity them, right? Tut, tut.

Oh! Also. !!  Pixeldragon! She can come back, I suppose, but would she want to? Maybe I'll unban the account just to give her the option at least. Well, unless of course she's secretly, uh... HardcoreRockFan08 or Candide or whatever old trolls none of us can even remember anymore because they were either before your time or didn't leave quite as much of a mark as they'd hoped.

I'll do these unbannings 'later', by the way. Yes. 'Later'. Whenever that may be.

(I'd love to hear what Frances thought of Ratio and vice versa, by the way! But not enough to ask them, of course. Or him, as the case may be.)



Well, I've checked some trivial details, and they do strongly support the idea that Ratio is Frances (their birthdays are identical, they're both from uncertain locations, neither has an email address linked to their account, etc). Isn't that lovely? I bet it makes you feel all warm and fluffy inside. Suffice to say, I will not be unbanning Frances!!! Shocking, I know!!! I'm actually relieved that I don't have to weigh up the pros and cons of that decision or think about it any further, since the poll was annoyingly inconclusive (please feel free to alter your votes on the polls after hearing this, by the way; I'd love to see how they changed).

It does however lend some weight to my initial feeling when talking to Frances that it was 'another one of those frustrating young males from Fig Hunter'... since it turns out that it in fact was. Certainly not a lovely little INFJ girl, anyway! Also, yes, I realise it's unfair to feel that way about the whole of Fig Hunter. You can blame lovely people like this for making the site appear that way in my mind. And also for most of the recent bans, I think? I think he was crucial to the banning of several of them, actually. I'm sure you all have nice things to say to him, anyway, so I'll let you start doing that now.
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King Kiashi
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Whoa... okay... I'm kind of new and I mostly lurk occasionally (not really sure how to get into the community — I'm kind of awkward, sorry) but yea... I totally don't know much about all the site drama 'cause of that but I remember meeting Frances in the chat and we talked and kind of become friends except I disappeared for a few months so that kind of ended. Still surprising to see a familiar face pop up, though!

So, to my limited understanding, Fighunter kind of has major troll and/or jerkface issues? Doesn't sound very pleasant at all, but all things have their run, do they not? Life's a chain of mountains to climb, but struggles don't last forever. Just gotta push through it I suppose to the light and stuff.

And I'm sorry for randomly walking in here rambling about poetic life metaphors and just... saying things. You can disregard it because I don't know the specifics of the situation but those are universal truths, in my opinion. So, um... yea. Hope the situation improves! :D?
donutsizzle
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A β Pseudolonewolf you are the king of trolls. You finally understand how fun it can be, eh? Well, welcome to the team. I'll save you a spot under the bridge. Think up some questions to ask travelers. Don't worry, you can crush and devour them even if they answer correctly; it's just a ruse.
babs64
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babs64 21 France MelancholicSanguine INTJ 512 95C
I've just seen Scintilla and Voukras's comments! And it seems Pseudo was right about Ratio and Frances being the same person in some way... So, yes, sorry about that. But, I think Scintilla and Voukras both have a point and that maybe you should unban Frances, give her a second chance, because she deserves it. Please... That would be awesome really...I don't know her and I have only seen her comments and her post that Voukras linked, but by those, I think she really IS a good person...

Now, for the second part of your post. I can only speak for myself on this, but I assume that it also holds true for many other members. No, I don't find this drama "interesting", I find it annoying. I prefered when fighunter was still somewhat peaceful, when Heiveld regularly posted his rants which while they might have seemed annoying at first glance, often gave way to interesting discussions, I prefered when most of the forums where active, and I prefered when the chat was either instructing or innane (or even both sometimes!). I used to like checking what was happening here, now I only do so to see if this place is still "alive" and if there is some hope of it getting back as it was before this all started...


My conclusion is that I'm just sad to see this happening to one of my prefered websites. So, well, because I have absolutely no idea of what to do, I guess I'll just wait and hope for the best... although it is, I must say, very frustrating to see something like this happen and to be unable to take any effective action against it...

Also, is it just me or Alora Fane stays stuck on the same page if you're not already a member? Because I went to see what it was all about, out of curiosity, but mainly because I wanted to be sure to understand everything that is happenning right now, but it seems I can't do that. Oh also, his public posts on soultome are quite relevant to this I think (Sorry Pseudo if you don't want me to talk about these... but they are public, so if you didn't want me to talk about them, you should have made them private). About these posts: well nothing new at first, although the assumption that he makes that the 30 people that were in chat when his unfinished game was shown were the worst of this place did make me SLIGHTLY angry... but it does not really bring anything new to this, what's more interesting however is his post about how he answers to people being "harsh and insensitive", from what I understood (and I hope I understood as much as possible) he says that if he acts the way he does here, it is because people are being "harsh" to him, but that it pains him to see people leave because of what has recently happened, and I think we should at least give him some credit. I think he is sincere when he says that, and that calm, "nice" discussion would be a way better solution. Maybe if we could try to stay calm... it would solve all of this. I know I sound naive by saying all of this, and I know it is naive. I'm well-aware that it is very unlikely to happen, and that the anger I see in most comments is mostly justified, but still, it would be a good step to a more stable and viable situation for everyone. So, to all of the rational people here, please try to control yourselves, and to you Pseudo... I think I understand that this is at the very least as hard for you as it is for every single member here, but please, don't see hatred or aggressivity where it isn't, and try to act with people the way you would like them to act with you...

I want to precise that I know that it is highly unlikely that Pseudo will ever see this, and I do this as a last desperate attempt to "make things better", I'd like you to know that I contained my anger while writting all of this, and that it was very long ago since so many insults came to my mind, and I'm sure you can guess the people who made me angry (hint: an admin, the comment below, and some mint guy), but I still try to act "nicely" to everyone here, because I feel that a real discussion is the last hope for this place, although it would be a miracle if it actually happened... So yes, unless by some miraculous events all the problems here disappear soon, I think I'll leave... I've nothing left to find here but some good material to write a "silly" tragedy, and I don't think that would be enough for me to stay here, because I have not enough skill to retranscript the complex way I feel about this nor the exact course of events that led to the site being left in such a gruesome state, and well, that would just be silly... Despair... it's a powerful emotion, huh?
Sorry for any harm I might have caused while being here, know that it was probably unintentional. However, I'll be active on fallen fig (as much as my studies allow, that is...). Also, you can find me on skype, for anyone that might be interested:
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Oh well, I have re-read the comments, some of them many times, too many times, and as I'm going away, I might as well be honest, right?...

YOU WHO WANDER HERE, DO NOT HOPE FOR KINDNESS, FOR YOU WILL FIND ONLY ANGER

You are right when you are ashamed to see people leave, you are right when you think that it is BECAUSE OF YOU. Almost none of the people banned deserved it, and I maintain that. I understand their anger, I understand it because seeing what you are doing here just makes me angrier as time passes. I can try to be nice as much as I want, I guess it won't change the way I feel, nor anything about this place, so I'll let my useless mask fall apart. I try to be nice to people even when they hurt me, because I feel it's often the best thing to do, but here it won't change anything, and you anger me too much for me to keep acting that way. Maybe my anger was visible in some parts of this comments, well now you can be sure that yes, I'm angry. What I really think about this all is: intercourse you, intercourse your sensitiveness, the people you despise are infinitely more worthy than you, and that would still hold true if your accusations were justified. I don't care contributing to the "toxicity" and "drama" of this place. You made it that way. You are angry? That's lovely, keep going! You're hurt? Keep going! You're sad? Aww, that's cute. I just want one thing: never having to deal with you again. Don't worry, though, I understand you, but I despise you, I hate you anyway. You ignore the people asking you to stop? Okay, but I'll ignore all you ask too then! You make me sick, you want people to respect you but you treat them like they're all demons trying to kill you. You see demons? Well, that's because that's what you're making us into. Congratulations for your self fulfilling prophecy, now you can go up to people and tell them "see, I told you, this place is horrible, and they're all so mean...", not that you didn't already do it of course! You think you're a victim? Well, at least, this time you're right to think so, but know that it is just a consequence of your violence, your crimes towards all the people you've hurt. Believe me, the worst trolls should hail you, as their acts don't even come near what has happened here in the last few months. This place might bring the worst out of you, but you bring the worst out of us too. Oh, and yes, it would be a shame if we were duped, really. I think it happened, but, and you might find it odd, I think YOU are the one duping us (and maybe yourself).
If you ever read this, I hope this punch in the face, even if it makes you loose some teeth, opens your eyes, although it is more likely to blind you some more... but hey, I have nothing else to try, and at the very least, I feel somewhat better now. Oh, and don't worry, that's only a little portion of my anger you see here, I'm still trying to swallow most of it, but I just needed to spit some of it somewhere. If I was letting it all out, I guess I'd be thinking about the best way to hurt you right now... But don't worry, I'll be gone now, you can continue and get some random people with absolutely no knowledge about this place nor the people here tell you how awesome you are, and how all we members of fighunter are just mean to you. I won't be a bother, I won't hack or troll, not because I don't will to, not because I don't have the strength to, but because I know it would cause more harm to the other members of fighunter...

Also, I know this comment can only make things worse, which is why I apologize for causing more drama for other members to see.

And, to all of you, know that I hope my despair is unjustified, that the way I depict Pseudo is absolutely and horribly wrong, and also that this comment is probably exaggerated due to the impressive anger I was feeling when writing it, and in fact, I'm still not really sure about what to think of this all... I just know that this will probably be my last comment...

I also know this comment might hurt people other than Pseudo, and I want to sincerely apologize to them,as it is not the purpose of my comment.

Oh, and by the way, I'm too lazy to erase the rest, you know the part where I try to be nice, like I usually do... Maybe it'll help people to understand my point of view, although it is just a pointless try to "solve" these problems... But I guess no one will really care.

I'm curious to see how long it takes before I get banned... I guess it won't be a big loss for this place, but I do hope to see some of the people that were here again, mainly Heiveld, Frances, SAPPHIROS, The Wadge, Frost, and Magi (Plus the ones I already found on other places, but I don't need to mention them here, I think) and I hope I can contact them or they can contact me, because I'd like to talk to them, if they agree, that is...

Goodbye.
The Skull
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The Skull 22 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTJ 4w5 94C
Wow, the sad arguments in these comments, so OTT.
The Skull
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The Skull 22 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTJ 4w5 94C
I think you should just ban everybody arguing in the comments that tries to act clever.
MoosW
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MoosW 19 Netherlands CholericPhlegmatic INTP 694 60C
Oh God. I've just read the comments and Pseudo's post and The Wadge (a friend I only talk to on FigHunter) LEAVE FigHunter and Ratio/Frances and stress and yelling and needless hate!

CAN'T EVERYONE JUST SHUT UP?!

This is all causing WAY more hate than it's worth from both sides. I missed out on two seasons worth of missing out on happenings on FigHunter (coming back on August, last year) to see it's turned to chaos. I used to love it here!

I used to talk to Stampede, KnA, The Wadge (Who left. Damnit), moderators... I've made some bad posts about two years ago, althoug unintentionally. If this starts to look like a 6-year olds chaotic banter on how he wishes mummy and daddy would get along, I'm sorry.
I agree with Pseudolonewolf the criticisme has gone out of hand, I do NOT like his methods, however.

But then again I'm just some extrovert teenage boy! I should go to school and talk to friends and suck this all up. I'm not though.
I'm going to miss The Wadge AND the Pseudolonewolf from 2 years ago... This almost sounds like a childs desperate cry for help. If I would describe myself as a child, I guess it even IS one...

My hands are shaking while I'm writing this and I'm on the verge of tears, I can't imagine how Pseudolonewolf or Frances/Ratio or The Wadge feel... I never swear but...

Can't you all. Just shut. The intercourse. Up?

It would make me happy to see no further comments above this one. :) Have a good day for as far as it's possible, I guess...
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
The Wadge dissented from Pseudo by free will as one of the many who yesterday changed their color scheme to an invalid value. But I'm sure that's being done in a way that's sensible, mature, and non-chaotic, just like you remember... her? I could swear she was a dude a year or so ago... Maybe I'm wrong. Anyways, I'm sure that's the way she did it.
MoosW
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MoosW 19 Netherlands CholericPhlegmatic INTP 694 60C
I knew of him leaving volunterally. (Spelt wrong I think. Whatever.) I hope she's OK.
As for her being male, I was thinking the same thing.
adde1er
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i'm not a really active person here and so i don't really care about those "meaningless" conlfits. it may be good getting to know people here and talk with them.

But many people here (especially the ones in conflict with you) tend to forget that before all you're a human being, and so you suffer as others can. they also seem to forget that the very beginning of everything here started with you creating your games.

And also you create games, games that makes others people dreams, your games wouldn't be so much played if they weren't interesting. and it's all thanks to you being hard-working on your games.
And for that i really really thanks you for creating such games :)

if i had to say so, i think you should be a little more "selfish", and trying to get your life in an happier and stable way for you and so not taking much care of the community here except maybe when it's about your games as some people here could give constructive comments (comments that would help you making your games into better ones) about the game. Yet i don't really believe that only "good" comments would come ...
i also believe that human tend to destruct themselves, always trying to become happier yet always making others suffering etc ... And as there is a majority, there is also a minority, and so not everyone is able to be as happy as they want at least until humanity become really better and not having the illusion of getting better.

finally, make yourself and the people really important to you be happy firs of all and then trying to make others people and yourself happy with your games.

i will wait patiently and earnestly wait for you to feel happier and creating your so wonderful games :).

(i know saying such things to you isn't what you really like as you may feel that i'm pushing myself over you of things like that and you may things whatever you want about me as i have no right at all to control or oppose what you think about me. and also i'm very sorry if my message give you any negative feelings, this isn't what i want to, i'm just trying to support you with this message yet i'm not sure what you would think of it.)
donutsizzle
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Your typoes seem to hold great wisdom.

The typoes seem to get to the root of all of Pseudo's issues interacting with the community with
Quote:
you create games, games that makes others people dreams

As a result of the creation of games, the effort and passion expended, and the manufacturing of personalities, Pseudo has ceased to see people as they are or as people. He instead sees others as people dreams, like the personalities manufactured for his games.

The typoes go on to paint an adorable metaphor with
Quote:
make yourself and the people really important to you be happy firs


I am a big fan of your typoes. Please keep bringing them around.

Thanks,
sizz
Sunflower
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It's just so awfully easy, isn't it? From someone I don't like to an opponent, from the opponent to a villain, from the villain to a demon, a diabolic being whose sole purpose in life is to cause misery of others and who must not be trusted under any circumstances; and all that based on horned shadow casted by pretty normal person who happened to have messy hair at that time. Oh, and MANIPULATIONS! Don't forget them! Of course them devils would carry out a carefully planned scheme to turn poor lambs away from light, and of course that gentle and sensitive picture the lambs see is just a carefully crafted illusion; no devil would have such nature, after all, and we already established that they're devils, anyone forgot that?

Are you people still going to dispute whether the elephant is actually a pot or a pillar? Or maybe would you kindly admit that your experiences might be insufficient to serve as a base for any strong judgement and think for a bit why someone else thought that the elephant is actually a wall?
You know, I have nothing against people ignorant in some matters. I even don't blame them when they choose not to learn something, because they aren't that interested and don't find it that useful. However, they have no authority to make any decisive judgement based on their incomplete and quite often simplified knowledge; and they shouldn't act so full of themselves as if they got all the knowledge while having merely glanced at the cover of primer.

Yet you people keep doing that; you happily jump to warm and convenient conclusions, gluing your shoes in mid-air to make sure no one will push you out and stay there, vehemently dismissing anything that could possibly make that conclusion fall apart, using some shady excuses. You seek malice where simple foolishness or human imperfection is more than sufficient to explain people's behavior. You assume the worst so that you can feel comfortable not taking any effort to understand the other party, because it's futile, anyway.
And thus, I've seen so many opinions presented with undue confidence how Pseudo is a manipulative tyrant and how Frances is victimizing herself to fuel the drama (I don't recall hearing both of these from the same person, though, but I didn't have much contact with "Sephiroth" fraction either; how lovely these local politics are, aren't they?); as if they were both playing chess, with us community members as pawns.

I wasn't paying much attention to that conflict, but looking at the behavior of both parties involved I can't really believe all that; their actions were about as skillful as if children were throwing chess pieces at each other. Of course, in such a fierce and intellectual (we're speaking about chess, after all) battle neither of them is interested in such unimportant details like one of them building fancy houses with Lego bricks and the other being quite skilled at playing piano. And then, in the crossfire of that battle...
I took a rook.
Straight in my eye.
IT HURT.
Needless to say, I'm not pleased.
Also, apparently we're now at the stage when the boy reveals that the girl ate your little dog, too. We're still trying to figure out what little dog could that possibly be and if it wasn't meant as her having eight little dogs. Of course having not only one or two, but eight of cute little cuddly puppies would fill everyone with envy, right?
What do you mean by saying that my analogy got out of control? It seems perfectly fine and accurate to me... ^^"

(also, am I not getting tired? I kinda feel like I might not make too much sense recently, or do I? It's like my logic gets more and more fuzzy... and warm... and I want to go to bed... :3)

Uh, well, one more thing. I don't really feel like judging who's more "to blame" here; I can already hear "but he outed her in front of whole chatroom, and did it again with that blog post regarding Ratio" or "she was trying to keep help him understand her issue, but he kept on hurting her" or "she was still fueling that drama long after that drama" or "she and her followers were linking materials that were supposed to be private" reverberating in my head, and it all mixes in some eerie and otherworldly moan, and I don't like it. You both were quite careless with these chess pieces and they probably left bruises on both of you, but I'm not in mood or position to calculate their quantity and area to prove who got more harmed. I don't even know if Frances herself is interested in being unbanned after all that.
I simply want to ask for one thing: please acknowledge her as a girl, rather than a male trying to benefit from posing as the opposite gender; or at least don't assume either way. The premise of Ratio being the true, deceptive nature that fooled everyone to get into AF sure sounds attractive, with very clear villain and such, but things tend to be way more complicated, and given data I got, I really doubt Frances is the mask, rather than Ratio. I guess she might have given reasons to think of her as confrontative or untrustworthy, but she still deserves some respect, or someth*yawn*. As in, treating her as if she is male feels just too unfair to me; understandable, maybe, but still unfair...

Need... to... sl-
*faints* THUD!
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
First off, I don't understand the majority of these metaphors. Maybe that's just not my line of expertise, but a lot of them don't hit the mark with me for whatever reason, so I could have missed a thing or two.

However, the idea of this overly loud group is very conflicting. You have a user that supposedly changed her profile into a girl's profile because of the thought of being a guy, like she is anatomically, and that feeling is apparently too strong to allow her to use the male account, and on the same side you have A β Pseudolonewolf's oppression for keeping out males because of the prejudiced thinking they bring. It's a double-standard where A β Pseudolonewolf can't be thought of as seeking females, but meanwhile !!  Ratio can't even think of himself as male, even on a site where it basically doesn't matter.

I keep hearing people defending both of these ideas on the issue simultaneously, and then I hear more and more about the real happenings behind the scene, and it makes even more sense that no one knows these details, as just like the alt, no one knew. It is unsettling to me that a moderator would actually defend this alt account, because even though the discussion probably leaned that direction in all appearances, a person who made such a mission to hang alongside A β Pseudolonewolf (like essentially everyone who joined Fighunter, just more dedicated) would not be far different. Certainly someone has come up with a scheme to get on the other sites, and they have little reason to not make a grand charge at accomplishing that, and playing a role is basically the least of their worries. Heck, at one point in my life, that would have been the fun part; Try to see how many I can fool into not knowing that the alt is me.

So, I don't know if you were in on the alt business... I assume now that you might have been. However, in my experience, it needs to stop. There are several sites that are working at reducing this problem by making it unattainable in some fashion, either by Reddit-style posting or monitoring activity harshly, and this site is not big enough yet to need those worries. It's one of the charms, actually. I don't figure this site will ever be up to A β Pseudolonewolf's needs, but having alt accounts allowed will only make it worse. According to A β Pseudolonewolf's account, !!  Ratio was on the chopping block because of moderator suggestion, and he was a prime example of the frivolous nature such users will use their "baggage accounts". Or maybe not? Maybe he was not actually being a problem, the moderators knew about the alt and wanted !!  Frances to be without an alt? It's hard for anyone to tell, but alts are a risky business, and if moderators were in on it, I have little-to-no sympathy for your accounts in this situation you helped put this site through. I hope that's not what this post is implying.

And, lastly, I'm tired of calling him a her. The rationale is simply not there. There are men who dress and think like women, and women who dress and think like men, but if from all outside appearances they appear to be men/women, I identify them by that, otherwise I'd be called an "it". As A β Pseudolonewolf said about himself, I also don't really identify myself with my own gender, but I don't identify myself with the other one, either. That doesn't mean I'm gender-neutral when spoken about, because my general structure is that of a dude. If you feel obligated to call him a her, go ahead, but I call them as I see them, and to be perfectly honest, the sheer amount this group wants to sell that idea shows how dedicated they are to hiding the fact that they've known about this double-identity all along, nothing more. Call me a bigot, but there are live-and-let-live tendencies by some outcasts, and then there are people who make an identity out of being such an outcast, and for someone who started so strongly as the former, he sure became the latter in a very quick manner. Not too common, I don't think, for someone who's used to getting the short end of the stick, as he claimed. Afterall, look at the show they decided to put on for you and everyone to see. You still don't believe they're making a show out of this?
Sinapi
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Sinapi 25 Netherlands MelancholicCholeric INFJ 78C
It's not about Fran's sexual or social identity, or even necessarily about who else she might be. The problem is that she has done a lot of manipulative things and taken herself on a lot of vendettas/crusades which are harmful to other users and the community as a whole; people seem to be getting caught up in the argument of whether she is or isn't someone and should or shouldn't be banned for it, instead of acknowledging this in their personal review of opinion on the matter. It doesn't mean that people can't be changed, but try to remember that she was banned for her behaviour, not for her identity.
spopo
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It seems highly unlikely that Frances would use transsexualism as an "escape route" to explain aggression, I have seen plenty of aggressive women, so Altemeus' "convenient excuse" theory goes out of the window.

The most probable theory I can think of is that Ratio always was trans, and didn't feel comfortable admitting it, so made an alt. I do not know this Ratio guy, as I was not here at the time.

1) Frances is/was Ratio
2) Ratio is banned
3) Frances was technically ban evading. GUILTY. Some would argue they are completely different personalities and Frances should not be banned for her past (and I would agree), but I don't make the rules.
4) Accusation that Frances is "using" trans-ness as some sort of weapon - discarded as absurd. Ratio/Frances is trans, whether or not she admitted to it earlier is irrelevant. I know this because I have talked to her, and it is not possible to fake the nuances of being trans.
5) She was banned for leaking a conversation. You decide the rules, and you decide what happens to people here so I cannot argue.
6) Openly leaking this detail about her - highly insensitive on your part. I can't tell if you're being hypocritical ("She leaked my personal private info!") or trying to "get back" at her, either way, stop it.
7) Trying to ruin Frances' image by portraying her as manipulating and a deceitful troll. Same as point 6. She has been doing similar things about you, and I would understand if you're "getting back" at her, but understanding is not the same as approving. This needs to stop *somewhere*, and I think she has stopped from her side.


PS: Pseudo, all that personal bias in your posts fires up my filters and makes it hard for me to read your post objectively without being highly critical. It actually backfires D:
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
Of course it isn't a possible theory, because everyone on this site is a saint, especially those who create alts to circumvent site policy. Clearly, no one would get the idea that "I'll never get onto A β Pseudolonewolf's other sites as I am, so I'll make an alt to accomplish that." That would never happen, but to happen to "come out" the same instant that A β Pseudolonewolf questions you happens consistently, especially since you're talking to the key member who enforces such a policy in the first place. A β Pseudolonewolf is clearly the first person you tell when he's being all oppressive like that.
spopo
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Err, we seem to have a misunderstanding.

"Making an alt to get to somebody's site" makes perfect sense.

"Pretending you're transsexual to explain aggression" is what doesn't fit.

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Then your identity goes under crisis when Pseudo catches you, except then he actually gives the escape route: If you admit to being transsexual, there is basically no negative side, right? You can act as though you wish you were a girl, and meanwhile still be anatomically a guy, and no one can question that. "I sound like a guy? Well, guess what, that's because I am a guy."

Funny ride, but I've been somewhat certain for a while now that the transsexual identity has been one large ruse...


Frances is most definitely transsexual, I know this since I've talked to her for a few days. She isn't "pretending".
This has nothing to do with the issue, though, except Pseudo's implication that Ratio is a guy who is taking us for a ride (and your accusation, the one I quoted).

I see you're in quite a fight with Voukras, but try not leaking the negativity here. I'm trying to be as objective as possible.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
Pretending to be transsexual fits just fine, better than the off-chance of someone deriving that you are transsexual and actually hitting that assessment. As you said, there are some aggressive women, but Pseudo hit the nail on the head, quite miraculously, I'd imagine. I don't see him going around asking who everyone's gender is, and to hit a transsexual perfectly is more than coincidental in my book. That's a final attempt to save face and stay on Pseudo's other sites.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
!!  Frances said:
Anyway, as time continued, I just felt worse and worse about not being 'masculine enough' (in part because of my rather scrawny and short physique), and in response, Ratio just veered more and more towards some ridiculous hypermasculine archetype, you could say that I did the same as Pseudo when I defined arbitrary stereotypes, but I chased towards it rather than running away.


Yeah, yet another dig at Pseudo, go figure. This alt mess caused this abandonment charade, and the running is highly relative considering the fact that all any of you alt characters did was create alts to hide from the community in some sense. That is why Ratio "veered more and more into some hypermasculine archetype," as with a clean alt to go to, you have nothing substantial to lose if it turned sour. That's the mess with alts, and that's the mess anyone who created one brought to this site. Sidestep it all you want, Pseudo did not create the alts.

!!  Frances said:
I guess it's kind of 'funny' that I was the one that primarly dealt with the whole Darthakin and Sephamyrrow drama... If anything, maybe that counts as some evidence that I didn't come to Fig to wreak havoc. If I was smart I would have stayed out of any drama involving alts. I only did so to protect people.


Protect people? Protect who exactly? And from what? Other alts? This is a bunch of rationalization for a highly stealthy act that opens harsher treatment on forums. And the worst thing about all of this is that there are many standing up for this alt behavior just because someone else did it. All I can say is that all of you helped contribute to the chaos on this site, and it's no coincidence it blew up in that direction. Thanks to all of you who participated in this, the site is completely untrusted by its own creator.

And lastly, I find it odd that you have such good knowledge of the !!  Ratio/!!  Frances scenario, Voukras. Obviously you're "good friends" and all, but looking at a joining date exactly 1 day apart from !!  Ratio, I would either think that you were good friends prior, or that you are, in fact, yet another alt. Odd coincidence you matched up so close, huh?
The Wadge
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The Wadge 19 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic INFP 4w5 67C
You're right. We're all alts. Every single one of us. It's all a conspiracy against you, Altemeus. This very website was created with the sole intent of destroying your sanity. And I have to say that so far it's been rather effective!
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
We already have an alt history in the works, it's hardly rocket science to tie other members, especially ones as vocal as Voukras has been. I never accused you of anything, so mind your own business, unless you actually are an alt, in which case I'll hear your sob story as well. At this point, just about anything goes, clearly.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
And I guess this color scheme idea might be even more evidence of the lengths your group will go to to work together as a collective. Voukras doesn't even have to be an alt, the whole lot of you are scheming, and the colors are just the most recent case of this.
Voukras
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Voukras 23 Romania CholericMelancholic INTJ 162 152C
Gosh darn. Your expert investigative skills have outdone me. It seems that playing all that Phoenix Wright - Ace Attorney has finally paid off for you. My phone's ringing. It seems it's CSI Miami. They'd like you on their team.

But seriously, again you infer things without having proper knowledge. I've interacted for two years on this site with various members and built a lot of friendships and acquaintances. I'm sure anyone could explain how unlikely this is, if you had bother to talk to anyone who knew me or had interacted more with me.

You also don't seem to know what Frances meant when she said being involved drama involving alts. She meant Seph's case where he used numerous alts on this site. Specifically SavageWolf was very negatively affected by Seph's deception and Frances was there to help him out and ultimately uncover details regarding Seph that contributed to his banning. Of course, you won't take my word or SavageWolf's word that he greatly appreciated Frances' intervention - after all. I'm an alt and SavageWolf is her friend, go figure.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
They'd hardly be impressed, because nothing of substance has happened, as you evaded the material quite well for someone who wants to bring the evidence out in the open. Did you or do you not know !!  Ratio prior to joining?

And I think the rest of that was quite obvious, with the exception of the obvious exaggeration points involved. I have no idea which parts of that you thought were actually "proper knowledge" of something. Fighting alts with alts? Yeah, I'm not interested in that balogna. Try again.
Voukras
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Voukras 23 Romania CholericMelancholic INTJ 162 152C
You're highly amusing. First you imply that you don't believe me and that I'm probably an alt. Then you ask me questions whose value depends on my honesty, which you are putting in doubt. But I'll humor you, since you've humored me, albeit in a different way. I did not know Ratio prior to joining this site and we became friends several months after joining when we bumped into each other in chat. I took note of Ratio back then because of the libertarian mindset she had.

As for proper knowledge. You barely know the basics what happened with Seph. What, do you want me to make a quiz about it for you? This wasn't the topic of this blog post anyway.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
No joke it wasn't the topic of the blog, you brought it up, or rather Frances did on your link. Ratio does not get alt immunity simply because "Clearly, he's a good guy." Alts are alts, and the level of the infraction is not dependent on what you think fights best for you. A quiz will not be necessary, because as long as everyone is making alts, everyone deserves bans. They are a sneaky business that opens rough behavior like observed from !!  Ratio when !!  Frances came along, and are improper for that reason entirely. If we could all get along with ten accounts and have perfect transparency in discussion, that would be one thing, but that simply cannot exist on here, so that's not allowed.

And I never said I don't believe you, just as I never said that !!  Frances was an alt prior to this thread. I may not believe you, but that has little to do with what's going on. Maybe you did fight alts with alts. In any case, that is still not an appropriate course of action, no matter the desired outcome, and that's the deplorable action involved here.
Voukras
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Voukras 23 Romania CholericMelancholic INTJ 162 152C
Nobody fought alts with alts. Frances had a good reason for making an alt, which was explained in my post. If you think people should get banned even when they have good reasons, that okay, but it's the decision of moderators and administrators - not me or you. But that was not the reason she was banned, obviously and that's why it's not in question right now. People have, before, not been banned for having alts, even multiple ones, if they had good reasons. So your statement that "that's not allowed" isn't entirely accurate. This is again how the moderators have dealt with it in the past - it's not my opinion.

I just pasted her entire explanatory post from Facebook. Which parts of it you address are up to you, and I think Seph is tangential here now.
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
That's great! Glad to hear that alts are perfectly great and natural. Now, if you wouldn't mind, go ahead and list those alts that would be of perfectly acceptable use, and I'll go ahead and forget this ever happened.
Voukras
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Voukras 23 Romania CholericMelancholic INTJ 162 152C
I'm glad you feel like being sarcastic about this particular thing, but as I said, it's not my policy, but that of the moderators based on their actions so far. I never said it was perfectly acceptable and fine, just that the people I've seen alting have not been permanently banned for alting - they had other offenses on top of that.

LSCohen was not banned despite making two alts - Sarit and Order. The alts were banned however.

The point is that Frances wasn't banned for alting, so this discussion is irrelevant. She was banned for leaking a private Introverse post and if she stays banned, which is extremely likely at this point, it isn't going to be because she had an alt.