Interest - Immortality

Originally created by M  ScintillaPurpose
6 years ago.

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Silence
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Silence 26 Australia PhlegmaticCholeric ISTP 5w6 72C
I'm not sure I agree with you there. I have a feeling you are adding an extra condition to your immortality, or perhaps overlooking an aspect, particularly that of being indestructible.

What I mean is, that while immortality may be to live forever, you won't achieve that if someone stabs you through the heart or you contract some lethal virus. To me, and from what I've been influenced by from fiction, immortality only means you can live forever in regards to not dying of old age. Unless you have acquired the power to become indestructible alongside it, you have the choice to terminate your life when you see fit, rather than die at a time period equal to or less than whatever is the known age limit (is there one? I guess I'll just use whatever the record is for oldest age of a person to have lived)

I think immortality would be interesting. You would be able to experience so many more interesting concepts over a longer time-span, although this does assume you have the means to experience such wonders. I think I agree with Pixeldragon's ideal world stated, although without the added indestructability, as such an invulnerability could backfire in the hands of an evil person, whereas without it, they could still be killed.
Sinapi
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Sinapi 24 Netherlands MelancholicCholeric INFJ 78C
I meant to sort of imply that by the condition that I could choose to end my life at any time, I meant that only I could decide that - so that while I may still be able to be injured or become ill, the condition of lethality would not apply to me, nor would I just become perpetually ill or injured due to an incapability to recover.

I'd rather address this through a response to your post, than to edit my post and have it cause some of your post to not make sense. :P
Silence
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Silence 26 Australia PhlegmaticCholeric ISTP 5w6 72C
That makes sense then. I guess I considered it to apply to all, rather than I think the angle that you were getting at; apply to you only. Makes much more sense. Thanks.
Sinapi
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Sinapi 24 Netherlands MelancholicCholeric INFJ 78C
I agree with Pixeldragon's take on the general pro and con of death and immortality being that immortality could suck, but dying only when you choose to would be good.

I think that I would choose immortality, under the circumstances that my life could end at the time of my choosing, but also that neither my mind nor body would deteriorate. Living forever in the state of my prime would be optimal because the brain also deteriorates and loses its ability to remember or learn, and to recall memories or knowledge. Part of my interest in immortality would be the one in a lifetime chance (or infinite times in a lifetime chance, as the case may be) to learn everything that I could ever want to learn, to completely master anything, and having my brain in a constant state of deterioration would completely negate that purpose.

Another deciding factor is my position in my life at the point of posting my thoughts on this Aspect. Right now, I feel that I'm in my prime both physically and mentally (this is not to say that I am as wise or as clever as I'll ever be, but that I have the most capacity to retain wisdom and knowledge that I ever will); I am happy in my relationship and I feel that I am with the person who I would not mind spending an eternity with (under the circumstance that he would also choose immortality - otherwise, I have no interest in immortality).

In the end, I think that I wouldn't take immortality if given the chance because it would cause an exponential number of complications in relation to everybody else in the world who isn't immortal, as well as aspects of this world that are designed to be compatible with mortal beings, but under the circumstances stated above, it is something that I would at least seriously consider before turning down.
ScintillaPurpose
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Whenever someone has been granted immortality in fiction or mythology, I imagine it much more a punishment than a reward. Part of the great comfort in life is knowing that it will be over; the thought of eternity scares me more than anything else. That is regardless of what the eternity is spent doing, but, yeah, it's especially so if it's spent someplace painful—like Tithonus from Greek mythology. And eternity aside, everything in life is just so much more rare and spectacular knowing it is ephemeral. Would I enjoy, say, chocolate, as much, knowing there would be no last time I ever ate it?

Though the constant awareness of death is in fact scary, I feel that having to confront that awareness makes life more worthwhile than it would otherwise be.

I'd be interested in knowing whether the idea of no death is liberating or confining to others!
Pixeldragon
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Hm. Well, uh, to me lack of death is only confining, but death itself is sort of liberating and confining at the same time. Uh, I'll try to explain that now.

I wouldn't like immortality in the traditional sense, for pretty much all the same reasons that you listed there. But I would find to be desirable a kind of quasi-immortality. A sort of system where one would stay young and invulnerable for as long as they wished until they decided to terminate their own life. You see, I've always had an interest in obtaining new knowledge and experiences, and I am greatly interested in how human technology will develop in the future and what kind of mysteries of the universe humans would be able to solve and how. And also, I seem to sort of worry that I might die unexpectedly and, uh, leave things undone. Or something. O_o

So, uh, in some kind of super-ideal world to me, people would be able to live as long they liked, learning, having experiences, and working on their own projects, or whatever else until they grow tired or satisfied with life. And then they would come to death, instead of it coming to them. They could accomplish everything they wanted to and then 'wrap things up' efficiently for their death, not having eternity but just as long as they needed. Or, uh, something like that.

So, uh, in summary: immortality = bad, only dying when you want to = good. Those are my views, myes.
Rigby
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Rigby 21 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INTJ 5w6 59C
That's an interesting perspective. Most people hold anti-immortality opinions, but I've never heard them of quite that flavor. Personally, I don't see immortality as much as a punishment. The way I look at it, immortality is only a punishment if it's done wrong. There are a few crucial bits that most evil 'I Want to Live Forever' plots miss. As long as
1) you have a few other immortals that you would be comfortable spending millennia with
2) are able to die if you should wish, whether it be by wounds, an Achilles heel, etc, and
3) assure that you won't have to live in hiding because of persecution by non-immortals
immortality sounds fun.
It does seem to vary by personality, though. For me, the realization that this may be my last-ever chocolate bar would make me feel depressed, not appreciative.