Political Ideology - Obey God or be smitten-ist

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    timtoborne
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    timtoborne 19 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic ENTP 512 186C
    I'm sorry, I put this in as my political ideology a joke. Seriously guys, I would have thought that at least Savage would know that I'm not a very serious person by now...
    Wanderer
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    β Wanderer 24 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 512 288C
    It's a problem of Poe's Law - ∞ LINK ∞ . You can hardly blame SavageWolf when such a large proportion of the religious do believe this. Indeed, just this week, a Tory councillor sent a letter to UK prime minister David Cameron which stated the following:

      Spoiler:


    That is to say that people genuinely do have this ideology, and SavageWolf - and I daresay many other people - had no way of knowing that you are not one of them.
    timtoborne
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    timtoborne 19 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic ENTP 512 186C
    Well, seems you're right,(as I hate saying) but just for future reference, I am not usually serious about this kind of stuff. (Also, how the heck do people keep finding this stuff?! I never would have thought that people were actually looking at the stuff on my userpage!)
    Wanderer
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    β Wanderer 24 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 512 288C
    When you post something like this, it goes straight to the top of the 'community' tab. Otherwise, people are genuinely interested in finding out more about new members.
    timtoborne
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    timtoborne 19 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic ENTP 512 186C
    Ah, alright... I suppose that I should step outside my bubble eh? <sarcasm> <ughh... that'll get old fast.
    Mania
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    I am most certainly smitten by God.

    I mean, who doesn't fall for mysterious men, and their mysterious ways? Besides, God's such a bad boy, mroww. :3

    And his sexy godbeard, ohyes... I'd love to recreate the Creation of Adam, except with a different set of fingers touching. :3

    Maybe I'll call the offspring Madam Adam. Or Adamania? :D

    It'd make that whole Virgin Mother Maria thing look rather dull and uninteresting in comparison, in any case!
    Ares
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    And I thought I was the only god you lusted over. You promiscuous bucket. >:[

    Also, the flaw in your version of events would be the existence of Virgin Mother Mania, which is just preposterous and unbelievable. Unlike the version of Christianity we have now, of course. Ahem.
    SavageWolf
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    SavageWolf 23 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTP 666 402C
    Wait? "Bad boy"? I thought He was a woman! A she-god if you will! D:

    ... This is awkward... Uh... Hmm...
    Megabdi
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    Hohoho, Mania, you are a daft lad, you are. Hohoho.

    I'll let you in on a little secret of mine...
    You see, my name is Smega, which has the word Smeg in it, which is 4 letters. S is 4 letters forward from O, so subtract 4 to S and you have Omega, which is obviously from the end of the Greek alphabet.

    Drawing from all this startling evidence, you will come upon a most startling secret. The most startling secrets since the cheese I've been hiding in your cleavage. My secret, my most well kept secret, MY MOST AWESOME SECRET... IS...

      Spoiler for SECRET THAT WILL END THE UNIVERSES OF THE ULTRABURST:


    Now, you know my 2 second secret, Mania. Treasure it well, for it will be the only secret you will ever milk out of me.
    crazycolorz5
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    crazycolorz5 20 United States MelancholicCholeric INTP 5w4 126C
    The only secret, that is, that is not that other secret.
    SavageWolf
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    SavageWolf 23 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTP 666 402C
    *cough if god wanted people to act in a certain way, he would have designed us in such that we would always act that way cough*
    timtoborne
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    timtoborne 19 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic ENTP 512 186C
    I know where you're coming from, but free will's a bitch. God wanted to trust us, but Adam and Eve screwed that up.
    SavageWolf
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    SavageWolf 23 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTP 666 402C
    Your sentence there doesn't really make any sense, I think you misunderstood me. I was pointing out that since (And I'm only assuming here) god created us, he must have the ability to modify us at will to anything He wishes, given he created the universe and everything. My point is that if there is a certain way we must act and stuff, then rather than telling us this in a dusty old book, he should have just created us in such a way as to ALWAYS act as he desires.

    If he truly wanted us to be free, he wouldn't enforce his arbitrary morality on us. If he didn't want us to be free, and he left the forbidden fruit there... Uh, first of all, WHY did he create the fruit in the first place, second of all, why did he create the snake in the third place, fourth, why did he give Adam and Eve the ability to trust the snake?
    Shamash
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    Shamash 20 United States SanguineMelancholic ENTP 4w5 284C
    Adam and Eve were mindless. They had a different view on things, because they had no sense if right or wrong. This fruit gave them the knowledge that we now posses of morality and guilt. God WANTED Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, it was all according to His plan. The snake was not God's creation, it wasn't even a snake. It was Satan appearing to Eve in the form of a snake. He gave Adam and Eve the ability to trust the snake because to restrict whom they could trust would be an infringement of freedom.

    Satan exists because he disagrees with God's plan of allowing us to have agency. Satan beleived, "Hey, if we force them to do the right thing, then they can't sin!" It seems like a good argument at first, but can anyone make the right choice if they cant make thw wrong choice?
    Wanderer
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    β Wanderer 24 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 512 288C
    While the thought of God not just punishing Adam, but punishing all of Adam's descendants through tainting his DNA, making it so that we are all born flawed and broken into Original Sin through his sperm is one of the most repugnant and vile teachings of the Bible, absolutely conclusive evidence that we have shows that Adam and Eve did not exist. And we're not talking about a theory that's been plucked from thin air, we're talking about every single shred of evidence available to us - troves and troves. It's the sort of thing where the chance of being wrong is about as small as the "theory" that the Earth is going around the Sun. ∞ LINK ∞ explains it well.

    If people would rather ignore the blindingly large amount of evidence and proclaim that all of humanity originated from Adam and Eve (or even if you think that God made other Homo sapiens ), the fact remains that this does not have a shred of credibility, nor does it have any scientific standing. The reason that I bring this up is that I have to wonder why it matters why these non-existential people sinned, or whether they sinned. If God wanted us to know that Adam and Eve had sinned, why on Earth would he make every available shred of evidence point to their non-existence?

    It's just a silly question, like 'why is a blackboard?' You have to be extremely stuck-in-the-mud and determined to fight reason to make a case for them. However, I'm not here to make a case against Adam and Eve, although creationism is thoroughly damaging. They can't be used to explain morality, though, since we know nothing about these fictional beings aside from conjecture and allegory, and that just isn't a strong enough basis. If you put a room full of the followers of Abrahamic faiths and asked them all about Adam and Eve, you'd get twice as many answers as people. Nobody has an answer that is more valid than anybody else's, and so it's just a pluck from the dark. SavageWolf's original point stands, I think, but it's pointless to ask "why did Adam and Eve...?" type questions.
    timtoborne
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    timtoborne 19 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic ENTP 512 186C
    At first I wondered if smitten was a word, but the little red line didn't appear under it, so I guess it is.