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Forum: Anyone still here?
donutsizzle
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Holy excrement did you guys see that other thread?

The one called "IF YOU DON'T READ THIS YOU WILL REGRET IT" or some such wildness....

What is the appropriate response?

"You are exhibiting abnormal psychological behaviors and should seek professional help" seems totally condescending.

And hell, maybe they're right that video-games are a mortal sin and the Catholic Church is the one true blah blah

but damn
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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"Power should only mean ability" doesn't just make you an idealist,

it makes you an anarchist (of a particular flavor, but an anarchist).

You've heard, I'm sure, "people get the governments they deserve"

or something along those lines. It is not exactly true.

Although it does require mob complacency for governments to function

a government can still dominate a people into submission

easier to do when done clandestinely

take Haiti for example:

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a trend toward anarchism is a goal that seems almost universally beneficial (except to the exploitative class), it seems we agree
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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There is a way, probably, to use the core values of "conservatives" (tradition, unchangingness, etc) around a compassionate cause that somehow includes change (see prohibition for example).

If there were some way to harness the unity "conservatives" feel around their tribalistic fear/pride, but to direct it toward some good rather than toward some selfish or sinister goal (trump).

I cannot entirely immerse myself into the mindset, being as polar opposite as I am (I'm down for progress, any progress, smash tradition), which I recognize is equally exploitable to selfish or sinister goals (hillary, obama)

The bill of rights we've been talking about, the one built by the deist elite, is full of excellent guaranteed freedoms aside from the freedom to arm oneself. If somehow, those voices could be rallied around the American traditions of free speech, free press, free assemblage, right to privacy, freedom of and from religion, etcetera....

This post is about a much larger issue than "gun control" (which really needs some replacement buzzwords that sound more palatable), but its related in that these exploitable features common in conservativism are being taken advantage of to control the conversation.

Again, I do not mean to single out conservatives as the only group exploited in this way, since liberals bought into "Change" and "Yes We Can" while weapons have flowed unimpeded from the US to terrorist nations during Obama's duration in office, perhaps even increased, since the conservatives have distracted from these dealings by railing against Obama's supposedly liberal acts such as "Expanding Healthcare to All Americans!" AKA: forcing Americans to entangle themselves with the increasingly lucrative health insurance industry, leading them into the arms of the pharmaceutical industry, leading many of them into the arms of the illicit drug industry, leading them into the arms of the "justice system" (what a crock of excrement), then into slave labor as incarcerated "criminals."

I'm trying to cover too much ground here.
The point is, these same exploitable weaknesses can be used for universally beneficial purposes like the advancement of technologies, the reduction of military interventions, the refinement and replacement of such systemic and destructively exploitation rather than its construction and defense. Hypothetically. On a psychological or sociological level (though not, perhaps, with abundant historic precedent or much real political momentum). It's possible, at least, it seems, in principle.
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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I replied to you, but accidentally as a new post in the thread.
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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1.

The basics behind the Milgram experiment (more or less):

The proctor says something along the line of "turn this knob to 1." You turn the knob, and you can hear someone in another room cry out in pain. The proctor says, "turn the knob to 2" and the sounds of pain from the other room become louder/more intense. The proctor continues to ask you to turn the knob further, and the sounds of pain continue to intensify until "10" or so, when they stop. The stranger you've been torturing has died.

In actual practice of this experiment, the participants willingly turned the knob higher and higher, most of them getting very near to or reaching 10 before or rather than refusing.

Some authority figure says jump, and even unconditioned civilians are likely to ask "how high?" even without being formally trained (conditioned) to do so (like police and military are).

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Couple this with Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiment. In this experiment (more or less) a group of participants is split randomly in two. One half is told, "You are the guards, and these [the other half] are your prisoners."

Over the course of the experiment, the guards become more and more willing to assert their authority, exercise control. The prisoners do, in fact, resist. However, the resistance is met by escalated authority, attempts to reassert control, even with force. Remember, these are just regular people, playing a silly role, and yet when given authority over others they very quickly conform to the role and exercise, even abuse, that authority. And the prisoners are regular people, too, discovering themselves suddenly put into a very uncomfortable, unfair, and actually dangerous position, and they begin to escalate their resistance as well, causing two-fold escalation on part of the guards. The experiment is prematurely shut down because the safety of its participants has been compromised.

Here we see that authority is like a drug to those wielding it, and they must reassert and increase that authority to "chase the dragon" or try to achieve the same or greater highs than the first sparks of its exercise caused them.

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Guerrilla warfare is not like the hydra. Guerrilla warfare is as temporary as human life. This can be seen in Nicaragua. Nicaragua is one of the most tragically, abhorrently economically destroyed nations in Central America. Why? The United States.

The United States has repeatedly destroyed Nicaragua. With helicopters, guns, bombs, actual boots on the ground. In clandestine warfare. The US has done this to almost every country in Central America and in the Caribbean as well as many South American countries. We like to pretend we didn't, but we did. Central America, the Caribbean, and South America are all abundantly wealthy in terms of natural resources, yet why are they third world countries, the vast, vast majorities of their citizens living in poverty? The US.

And why didn't they fight back? They did. Guerrilla Warfare from a small, undeveloped, poorly armed country like Nicaragua, even with the support of the majority of the people (who democratically elected the Socialist Sandanista government that the US deposed using assassination and terrorism) were unable to fight off the US political and corporate interests (as well as abundant weapons and US troops and secretly funded contra and terrorist groups within the country). At some point, living on one's knees actually seems preferable to dying on one's feet. The fight can be stifled in many ways, generally including a combination of force and propaganda.

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One problem with the idea of the dormant weaponry you propose is that if you leave a door open you've got to expect someone to walk through it.

Another problem is that it requires the corporate interests that control our government and thus our military to let go of the power they have (the power to kill anyone and anything between their pockets and a starving man's last dollar), which seems as likely as Elvis rising from the dead to play a Heart Health Awareness benefit concert.
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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In principle I'm in favor of your idea of localized militias, might even favor in practice if it weren't for the corruption rampant in small-town police departments (due to lack of oversight?) (which seems analogous)

I do feel a little under-addressed on 2 points: 1.the great thefts, including the theft of the planet, the theft of land/resources, the theft of labor through artificially deflated wages, the theft of economy via falsified markets, the theft of information, the theft of nutrition, etc.; 2. Stanley Milgram's experiment and what it reveals about authority structures. You are right that the oppressed will struggle against their oppression, but those wielding authority will struggle as much or more to hang onto that authority in the face of challenge, even overshadowing the authority to which they are themselves subject.

My only proposal is consistency, since it is pointless to try to work within a system that doesn't even maintain consistency within itself. Any "progress" will amount to white noise if the actual manipulators cherrypick their way through it.

We have a constitutional amendment created to ensure the ability of the citizenry to defend itself against tyranny. I see one of three options to make this work. 1 - restrict the weaponry of the military to close the gap between them and civilians. 2 - deregulate the weaponry of civilians to close the gap between them and the military 3 - change the amendment (we have that power; that's how the amendment was written in the first place)
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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Ok, but the purpose of the Constitution was to ensure a viable democratic/republican system self-sustaining and self-protecting. Hence the founders were fully appreciative of the potential danger of local monarchy/dictatorship. Britain is not going to give two excrements about our Constitutional guarantees, yet we're promised privacy, assembly, free language, etc.. (the deists did us right)

Our military is made of citizens. Our police force is made of citizens. Our government is made of citizens. Our billionaires are citizens.

That doesn't seem to prevent the great thefts, from the native peoples, from immigrants, from minorities, from workers (wage slavery), the education debt machine, the medical debt machine, the real estate debt machine, lead in our drinking water, they're feeding us poison (sugar, etc.) in EVERYTHING soda, pasta sauce, "cheesey snacks" and everything else pumped full of poison, diabetes, heart disease, cancer, we may as well be hooked up to machines that slowly leach off our essence while we lie catatonic

You think people are really gonna rise up? One nuke. You think people are gonna rise up? Two nukes. You think people are gonna rise up? Ebola, Bird Flu, mustard gas, sarin, you and I have no idea the kinds of biological and chemical weapons our military has or could have at its disposal within a fraction of the time it would take people to "rise up."

Our fellow citizens in the police, government, military wouldn't do that to us, right? But we are not the authority over them; they are the authority over us. Stanley Milgram taught us a little something about authority. And they are trained by another authority machine, trained to ask "how high?" when told "jump."

It doesn't have to be this way, it is possible it won't be. I may be a cynic and a nihilist, but that doesn't mean I can't be an optimist.
Forum: Gun Control Discussion
donutsizzle
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We should take away guns. Let's start with the human rights violators that we've sold them to--namely Israel and Saudi Arabia. Let's take all that excrement back. Then let's give all those guns, tanks and helicopters to the Kurds and Palestinians they've been used to mow down. Eye for an eye, right?


Naw, I don't know. My first ever post on this site was about this topic and it started me off with a barrage of negative FLIGS. My opinion is that we need to reassert consistency within our 2nd amendment. The second amendment was written with the intention of allowing US citizens to defend themselves against tyrannical governmental rule. Which means the only way to maintain the spirit of the amendment is for the citizenry to have access to the same weaponry the government has access to. This can either be achieved by restricting the weaponry our government can use, or by freeing up the citizenry to possess weapons of mass destruction. Or we could change the amendment. One of those 3 things needs to happen, otherwise the 2nd amendment is just excrement, and our constitution is excrement, and intercourse it all.
Forum: What's true about this?
donutsizzle
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I made it myself out of rice I chewed up and spit into a rusty pail, which I then covered with a cheese cloth, then tinfoil (in case of government or alien interference, doncha know), then with saran wrap and rubber bands, then I poked some holes in all of that and covered with a powder-free vinyl glove like the kind food-service workers use, you know, for the gaseous build-up. As for the proof, well, the burden of proof lies with the one who asserts. That, my friend, is you, not I.
Forum: What's true about this?
donutsizzle
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The species of the household pet was not specified. It doesn't matter whether the pet was a cat or a dog or a chinchilla or a potbelly pig. It's just an analogy for intercourse's sake.