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Pseudolonewolf
4 years ago

Gauging Interest

◊ Posted by A β Pseudolonewolf
Categories: Questions
I've been wanting to make a new community that has a different set of values or attitudes or things like that than Fig Hunter, and I've mentioned that before... I'm curious though about whether any people here would prefer a community like that.

It seems that Fig Hunter has developed a certain attitude over the years... One where 'Intelligent Discussions' are the ideal, where objective discussion and criticism and debate are the norm, and where argumentative young geniuses can find a place where they can engage their critical thinking.

My ideal community, though, would be one where essentially disagreeing with other people was, well, wrong; where if you didn't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all. Where people could happily express their (non-aggressive) *feelings* and whatever (non-aggressive) thoughts are on their mind, as well as their favourite things and so on, and they'd get friendly, supportive, probably detailed replies and NOT arguments or debates. Somewhere where you didn't have to brace yourself for replies telling you how they didn't share your preferences, or how they think there are flaws with what you like or believe, or how they think you should behave or think differently.
Somewhere where sensitive people can thrive, rather than feeling frustrated or hiding.



Which of these communities sounds more enjoyable to you?

A 'debate club', where all views are discussed and analysed objectively, and civilised, intelligent, rational disagreements were the norm? Somewhere where you could come to hone your intellect; a place to refine your mind.

Or a 'support group', where being *nice*, friendly, and emotionally expressive is expected and welcome, and debate and arguments are forbidden? Somewhere where you could go for emotional support and a mood boost; a place to lift your heart.
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SuriNin
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Personally, I enjoy debate, but I think that it's very important to be careful in the way that one debates.

Debates can be respectful. I am in a facebook group where this is the case. If someone is being a jerk, other members will call them out on it, and usually they leave on their own. If they don't, a moderator may ban them. If someone unintentionally offends someone else, they will apologize. Care is taken to ensure that things are phrased in ways that are not offensive. Also, people will sometimes indicate in their posts if they want support, not debate. Some people won't listen to that, but others will call them out on it if they don't.

Unfortunately, I am not convinced that such a thing is possible here. I also realize that even respectful debates are everyone's cup of tea. If it were up to me, I would want something in between fighunter and the site you are thinking of creating, but I think creating it is a good idea nonetheless.

Slowpoke
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Slowpoke 27 Spain MelancholicSanguine INTP 785 14C
I really prefer the "nice" website. I think it would be an improvement to introverted people, or people who worry about others opinion or people who aren´t comfortable writing in english because there is some kinda of pressure to write it well(or that´s my feeling); just like me. At that site I think people would be carefree to speak about anything and just the way they want, and no trying to sound inteligent and searching for arguments and stuff like that, because I believe that it´s obvious that some topics are more about feelings and emotions, not about logic. Sometimes I read the comments and feel stuck to make my own comment, I dont know... It´s kinda frustating, and I think that website would be great to be created.
The Skull
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The Skull 22 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTJ 4w5 94C
This is an old thing now but I'm going to comment anyway because I have not been here for a year or so.

I don't see the problem in some debate and discussion, myself. Provided that people conduct themselves in the correct manner then I don't think that people should have a melt down (i.e. they're not aggressive, pushy or throwing around insults), and constructive criticism can be very useful to anybody that is self-aware and open enough to take it with a pinch of salt.

I kind of think an entire forum dedicated to having people praise you constantly is kind of redundant. But, that's just me.

In other words, I like this site. It's neat, and the community is great, for the most part.
The Skull
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The Skull 22 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTJ 4w5 94C
Saying that other people might like it so I'm not fussed. I wouldn't use this other site because it sounds quite bland but unless it would mean no more fighunter I don't see why it shouldn't be tried
The Skull
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The Skull 22 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTJ 4w5 94C
Although I do think it's kind of annoying to see fighunter summed up as a 'debate' club. People talk about different things so it's unavoidable to have debates and such, I'm not really sure why that's a bad thing, most people don't get upset by small disagreements and it's usually quite enjoyable...

But aside from that I think that fighunter has more to it then just debates. The chat's usually fun and not too, er, debatey and most of what I see in the comments are people going "don't listen to them big P" or some long drawn out comment that could be summed up in something like that...

...Saying that this is kind of a long drawn out few comments, hmm...
Altemeus
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Altemeus 30 United States PhlegmaticCholeric INTP 9w1 166C
Sorry if I kinda necroed this topic, but it's too important to me in general, as I haven't even peeked around here hardly since FLIGS dropped.

I don't know what you folks expect from a forum, nor do I know really what I expect from one. If I had a forum etiquette lined out for what exactly I wanted discussed, I'd just talk to myself all day. There's an element of randomness you folks deliver that completes the picture, and I'll just say that this layout feels like my wings have been clipped. I don't pick games because of how tame they are, and I rather don't linger in forums that develop such a taste, either.

That said, I do understand the quarrels from before, and will admit it appears hard to argue the results from where I stand. A quick glance seems to show a fairly friendlier place than was there in the past. However, I'm still not content leaving it at that. This site has lost its flavor, in my opinion. Sure, no sharp edges, but no spark to get it rolling, either. To me, the forums have gotten non-personal and bland. Maybe I'm the only one.

In this day and age of the "next best thing" coming out every day, I think you can tell members to act whichever way you want, but a layout that features blocks of text that are non-argumentative, and therefore not really showing discussion, will be a tad boring. The reason FLIGS worked toward grammar, for instance, was because FLIGS gave us the ability to downrate offenses, and the rules empowered us to share those community desires.

Of course, like I said, I could be wrong about this; just the outsider talkin'.
lazarony
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lazarony 30 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
Honestly, this new site doesn't sound like the place for me, and anything I may say on the subject will likely nearly instantaneously erupt into a violent "debate club" debacle, as many of my inputs are wont to do.

Instead, I'd like to offer the following: Don't give up Pseudo. You'll find what you need. Persevere. And don't let this bunch of jokers on the intarwebs get you down; we're not worth your worry, and you have an inherent value irrespective of the opinions of others.
DreamGawd
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DreamGawd 23 Aruba SanguineCholeric INFP 5w6 76C
I kind of want to reply in a more proper manner, since my last post didn't really answer Pseudo's main question.

If I had to choose one of those two, I really couldn't. Both environments seem very restrictive to me. In the debate club, it seems like it's against the rules to fool around and be a light-hearted benign troll and it also seems like it would be looked down upon not to accept a debate challenge. In the support group, I feel like no conflicts would be allowed to take place, which may seem like a good thing at first, but it gets really boring for someone like myself who enjoys mischief.

I don't go on the forums often because I feel pressured on there to be 'mature,' 'formal' and 'professional.' That kind of environment is restrictive and leaves me uncomfortable and anxious.

My presence on this site is mainly defined by my appearance in the chat. Back when there was a rating system, I felt really depressed about the fact that everybody hated me without really taking the time to understand me, and being able to see what people rated me made me feel even worse about myself. The chat, however, didn't have ratings, so I felt free to go there and chat without people flinging red orbs at me and labelling me as the devil.

Nowadays, the chat is pretty ideal for me sometimes. Despite being a fair maiden who only modestly flaunts her pure and untainted virginity, I can say that I get a kick out of perverting the chat into an orgy of sex talks. I'm not a formation at all. Huehuehue.
phamen
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phamen 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISTP 14C
Having another place to calmly chat with other hunters of figs would be nice. And still having a place to debate with others makes it even better. The idea sounds great.
DreamGawd
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DreamGawd 23 Aruba SanguineCholeric INFP 5w6 76C
Maybe the forum has an aggressive atmosphere due to all of the rules, but if you pop into the chat, you'll likely find a conversation about sex.
Hyphero
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Hyphero 20 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INFP 469 51C
I don't care, whatever works with Pseudo is the one that works. Preferably a split into "transitional FH" and "new FH".
Xerodon
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Xerodon 25 Germany PhlegmaticSanguine INFP 9w8 21C
I definitively would enjoy the "support group" because always arguing is really exhausting^^' I like having a peaceful atmosphere. Also I have to think enough when studiying, so I appreciate more a group, where the topics aren't some big matters. It's more fun to talk about the little things in life or to encourage others^^