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Pseudolonewolf
4 years ago

Temperaments and MBTI Correlation

◊ Posted by A β Pseudolonewolf
I know I said I'd start using this only for game updates, but I feel that this might be something mildly interesting to a few of you since both of these personality systems are used on this site.

I've essentially abandoned the use of temperaments myself since discovering Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram, since they're inferior in many ways. However, I've just been reading something that assigns one of the temperament names to certain interaction styles, and lists each Myers-Briggs type that fits each one.

These four 'interaction styles' are based around the idea of Directing/Informing, and Responding/Initiating.

Directive behaviour is commanding, while Informing is not; compare "give me some help" with "I need some help here!". Both are meant as a way of communicating a request, but the directing one is blunt, imperative and to the point, while the informing one merely conveys information and expects the recipient to act on it of their own volition. Some directive types can be oblivious to informing types' requests because they don't realise they're requests at all, while informing types may find directive commands brusque and rude.

Responding and Initiating are in many ways introversion and extroversion, or background and foreground; initiators get things going, while responders wait for others to make the first move, essentially.

The four temperaments are pairs of these, and four Myers-Briggs types tend to fit into each one:



Choleric ("In Charge")
Directing + Initiating
Types: ENFJ ENTJ ESTJ ESTP


Melancholic ("Chart the Course")
Directing + Responding
Types: INFJ INTJ ISTJ ISTP


Sanguine ("Get things Going")
Informing + Initiating
Types: ENFP ENTP ESFJ ESFP


Phlegmatic ("Behind the Scenes")
Informing + Responding
Types: INFP INTP ISFJ ISFP



As an INFJ, I'm directing and responding, and that fits well enough with Melancholic, which is good to know. Despite being naturally directing, I actually don't like the directing style at all, and tend to consciously use informing language and prefer to be on the receiving end of it too.

Does your type fit with your temperament here?!?
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Pseudolonewolf
4 years ago

Weekly Update

◊ Posted by A β Pseudolonewolf
I'm currently trying to apply to go back to university!1 Or rather, to go to university properly this time; I did go a few years ago to one in Australia, but I dropped out due to the whole moving back to the UK thing, and since then I've just been trying to make games.

I'm going to do a 'Game Art' course in one of three UK-based universities, and it seems like it'll be much more up my street than the blander, more technical 'Game Development' thing I did years ago, which was mainly cold and lifeless programming. The design aspects are always my favourite parts, and art is currently perhaps a bigger part of my life than ever.

Speaking of art, yet again I'm going to fill my post with pretty pictures for you to ogle, to make up for the fact that the university stuff has been taking up my game development time this last week (since the deadline is this Sunday, and I've put it off until the last minute).
Look! Painty faces of MARDEK characters! Wow! Gasp!


This is Rohoph in Mardek's body! Doesn't he look like a happy chappy?


This is Deugan's head and also a green wolf's head, for some reason. IT'S NOT ARK THOUGH.


And this is Emela, looking unintentionally bored and miserable because I need to work on my facial expression drawing skills.

I also drew a self portrait of my own ugly mug, but you don't need to see that; even I can't bear to look at it!

Yet another thing that I'm sure you'll all SPOIL YOUR PANTALOONS over is this long and tedious thing about Myers-Briggs that might shed light on a lot of things if you bother to read it!!11!1



Did you read it?!? Did you learn anything?!?

Either way, hello. I'm probably not going to do much on games over the next week due to the university deadline and my worries about that, but afterwards, I'll be able to focus on them quite a bit, so I should make good progress on Programon and Clarence RPG! Hopefully!!
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Pseudolonewolf
4 years ago

Weekly Update

◊ Posted by A β Pseudolonewolf
Hello there. After neglecting game development in general for quite a while, I've finally got back into it and started making good progress on Timid Cervid!

Rather than tediously explaining what I've been doing, I'll show you some screenshots; keep in mind the game is in early development so these don't necessarily reflect the finished work, and there are some really obvious issues and oddities:



I haven't done any tilesets yet, hence the spartan field here! The grass will probably end up being more like the sort I meant to use for Alora Fane, rather than this cartoony style.
This demonstrates the dialogue boxes and dynamic pixelated sprites though, which change based on what you have equipped, as does the animated dialogue portrait.





This shows one of the menus, where you can equip clothes, altering your appearance; it looks much nicer than my other games that had similar features, and the model at the side there changes as you roll over things to equip so you can see what it'll look like before you put it on!
The actual items in the list have bland names at the moment, and they have no little image things; pyjamas are not tablets! They're currently using sprites from an entirely different game that I was working on.
Also, the description for the Pyjama Top is wrong there.
(I feel the need to mention all these little details because otherwise there'll be one totally clever person who'll see the need to point them out, won't there?)





This is an example of a battle, though there's nothing really happening at the moment. The background is very temporary; they will be more detailed eventually.
Battles work similarly to MARDEK, except for the types of skills that you use (things like "Smile" or "Awkward Comment" rather than "Flame" or slashing with a weapon).

I've done most of the mechanical stuff now and should be done with it all by the end of the week... I hope. After that, it'll be all about story, graphics, and music, which I hope will go well, but I make no promises about anything.



On another, unrelated note, I've been learning more about Myers-Briggs types recently, and I feel the need to mention this here because I know I've been biased against certain types in the past, but my new understanding shows me that I shouldn't be... Or at least not in the same way.

I've been learning about 'cognitive functions' in particular!
I've talked about this before, a while back, but I'm only beginning to understand the *importance* of it now, so I'm mentioning it again!

You see, each Myers-Briggs type is represented by four letters... but the first and the fourth don't really *mean* anything by themselves.
For example, "INFJ" doesn't necessarily mean "you are an introvert, intuitive, feely, and judging/organised/whatever". Instead, the letters merely represent an *order* of eight 'functions'.

These 'functions' are divided into Perceiving and Judging groups, each of which has two types of functions, and each of those two has two variants, leading to eight.

Perceiving functions deal with how we take in information, I think (though my understanding is less than crystal clear, so I might be wrong).
They are iNtuition, and Sensing.
Intuition deals with the abstract, while Sensing deals with real things. Sensors tend to be good at taking in and interacting with the environment, or moving their own bodies skillfully, while Intuitives see many possible new ideas... or something.
Each comes in an introverted and extraverted flavour; the introverted ones deal with an inner world, while the extraverted ones deal with the outer world. So you end up with:
Se - Extraverted Sensing
Si - Introverted Sensing
Ne - Extraverted Intuition
Ni - Introverted Intuition

Judging functions deal with how we handle the information that we take in... I think.
They are Thinking and Feeling.
Thinking deals with objective facts, logic, analysis, etc, and Feeling with emotions and subjective opinions. I've talked about these often enough before!
Two versions of each gives:
Te - Extraverted Thinking
Ti - Introverted Thinking
Fe - Extraverted Feeling
Fi - Introverted Feeling

Each combination of four letters refers to an order of these functions. We all have all eight, but generally people have four that are strongest:
The Dominant, which comes extremely naturally to them, as if they were 'born to do' it;
The Auxiliary, which is sort of like the First Officer to the Captain that is the Dominant;
The Tertiary, which is largely subconscious but affects the way the mind works significantly;
The Inferior, which is also subconscious, and which tends to emerge under times of stress.

You can work out the functions of a four-letter type code by doing the following:

If the first letter is an E, then the Dominant is an extraverted function; Te, Ne, Fe or Se. If the first type is an I, then the dominant is an introverted function; Ti, Ni, Fi or Si.

If the *fourth* letter is a P:
...and the first is an E, then the Dominant is the perceiving function of the second letter; Ne or Se, and the Auxiliary is the introverted version of the third letter; Ti or Fi.
...and the first is an I, then the Dominant is the *judging* function of the *third* letter; Fi or Ti, and the Auxiliary is the extraverted version of the second letter; Ne or Se. This is confusing!1

If the *fourth* letter is a J:
...and the first is an E, then the Dominant is the judging function of the second letter; Te or Fe, and the Auxiliary is the introverted version of the second letter; Ni or Si.
...and the first is an I, then the Dominant is the *perceiving* function of the *second* letter; Ni or Si, and the Auxiliary is the extraverted version of the third letter; Te or Fe.

The INFERIOR is the 'opposite' of the dominant. It's in the same judging/perceiving category, but both letters are swapped. The opposite of Si, for example, is Ne, and the opposite of Ni is Se.

The tertiary has the same i/e letter as the dominant, and the first letter is the, uh, one that's not been used yet.

I'd be surprised if you could follow that; I barely could! An example makes it easier.

I'll use my type, INFJ.

It has an I first and a J last, so its DOMINANT function is the INTROVERTED version of the PERCEIVING function; so it's Ni: introverted intuition.

Its other letter is F, and since its AUXILIARY must be EXTRAVERTED, that makes it Fe: Extraverted Feeling.

Its INFERIOR is the opposite of its DOMINANT; the opposite of Ni is Se, so Se is the *fourth* function.

There's no T in there yet, and the tertiary has the same i/e letter as the dominant, so in this case the TERTIARY is Ti.

So you get: Ni - Fe - Ti - Se

The other four (which don't seem to have names?) seem to be the same as those order-wise but with the i/e letters swapped, so the eight that INFJ has are:

Ni - Fe - Ti - Se | Ne - Fi - Te - Si

I think those other four are generally ignored in writings about this kind of thing, though.

Do you follow?!? Of course you don't! Or rather, I'd be surprised if you did, because I barely understand this stuff myself, and I very much doubt that one confusingly-written blog post on a gaming website will allow it all to sink into peoples' minds...

I bring this up though because the way I was seeing the types before, INFJ and INFP seemed very similar to eachother. They only have one letter different, after all, so they must be very similar, right?

Well, let's look at their functions!

INFJ: Ni - Fe - Ti - Se | Ne - Fi - Te - Si

INFP: Fi - Ne - Si - Te | Fe - Ni - Se - Ti

So essentially, just changing that P/J letter changes the functions *drastically*, and INFJs four functions are completely different to the INFP's.
Fi and Fe are very different, you see, and the same goes for all the i/e things.
For example, Fi types might be very deeply emotional, but not really concerned about the emotions of *other people*, and able to independently conquer their own emotions, which they might rarely express, while Fe types might live to make others happy while neglecting their own wellbeing, often needing external help to deal with their own emotions, which they express rather clearly.
(My Fe leads to me 'venting' in order to 'let out' my emotions and to seek 'emotional support' from others, which I need in order to keep those emotions under control. A Fi type wouldn't have this same need; they would mostly keep their emotions inside, and would prefer to deal with them alone.)

It's interesting then to look at INTJ and INTP; the most common types on this site:

INTJ: Ni - Te - Fi - Se
INTP: Ti - Ne - Si - Fe

INTJ is very similar to INFJ, but with very, very important differences! Their Extraverted Thinking is their auxillary function, so they tend to interact with the world in an objective, analytical fashion. They have introverted feeling as their tertiary function, though, so this means that inside they might be very emotional, sensitive; they just don't *show* it, nor do they need external help to handle their emotions, and since the tertiary function is largely subconscious, they might not be really 'aware' of these strong emotions, or might not 'understand' them.
Both INFJ and INTJ share introverted intuition as their dominant function, so they develop ideas in similar ways; they also have extraverted sensing as their inferior function, which can lead to things like getting very stressed by environmental factors like loud noises when they're in a poor mood.

The way I thought of Myers-Briggs before led me to think that INTJs and INTPs had more in common than INFJs and INTJs, but this isn't really the case!
INTP runs on introverted thinking, so it's very big on logic and stuff, but cares less about external evidence, expert opinions, brainstorming, etc than the Te-oriented INTJ. Its Feeling function is all the way at the Inferior end, meaning that they are 'less emotional' than INTJs in some sense, but that they tend to be more emotional when under stress. Their emotions relate to the external world, and are subconscious, so they might have emotional outbursts when under stress without really understanding why, or feeling like it's not their nature to be that way, or they might require the emotional support of others in order to feel better. Or something. I don't understand all this stuff with certainty yet.

Interestingly, a type like ESTP (Se - Ti - Fe - Ni) has the same functions as INFJ, just in a different order, despite having the opposite letters, so *supposedly* they can get along well with eachother.
A similar type for INTJ would be ESFP (Se - Fi - Te - Ni), who, despite being extroverts with a F in their type, are emotional internally, but use the extraverted thinking that INTJs use.
That also means that perhaps ESTPs would be more 'feely' and compassionate to others than ESFPs, oddly enough! Or maybe not. I don't know.

Anyway, I found this rather fascinating, so I present it here in case anyone else would get anything out of it!

I read about it when I started wondering whether my type was INFP instead of INFJ... o_O
I know now that it's not, but reading about the functions in isolation made me wonder, because I could relate strongly to Fi, which INFJ doesn't have in its first four functions, but INFP runs on it.

Reading the INFJ and INFP descriptions on this site made me certain I'm INFJ though: ∞ LINK ∞

I strongly recommend reading about your own type on that site; it's very enlightening and useful, and perhaps the best description of each type I've found so far!



Speaking of INTJs, Captain Jean-Luc Picard is a good example of one of those! I also painted a picture of him today. Here it is, to take the edge of all the Myers-Briggs rambling:

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