Interest - Margaret Thatcher

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Voukras
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Voukras 23 Romania CholericMelancholic INTJ 162 152C
I'm not sure how much you people are joking here and much you're being serious, but I think it's disgusting how much people circlejerk over how despicable Margaret Thatcher was. Not necessarily the people discussing it here, rather the sheer amount of hatred she receives in general. She put it herself rather well: " I learned a valuable lesson [from the experience]. I had incurred the maximum of political odium for the minimum of political benefit. "

Margaret Thatcher is neither the Jesus Christ of the economy and the Crusader against the State as some right-wingers claim her to be, neither is she evil incarnate. These kind of polarized opinions serve only to distort perception - the kind that makes people end up hating each other over political differences. If you disagree with her vehemently, that is fine. We can talk about which policies were good and which were bad. I don't agree some of the things she did either. However Thatcher is a rare politician. I'll quote Sean Gabb: " There are two ways of doing politics. One is to listen to focus groups and opinion polls, and offer the people what they claim to want. The other is to stand up and tell them what they ought to want, and to keep arguing until the people agree that they want it, or until it is shown not to be worth wanting. "

I am sure Thatcher did some of the first way of doing politics, but she was one of the very few politicians with any success that adopted the second way a lot. She did many things that were incredibly unpopular because that's what she thought was right. She even went against the positions of her own party at times (in favor of decriminalizing homosexuality and legalizing abortion). Even if she was my bitter enemy, I would have to separate my hatred of her policies and my stance on the person, because it is impossible for me to not have some degree of respect for a politician that stands up for what they believe in and is willing to stand up to their own party and the voters - they are a dying breed. Especially in an age of politicians that are malleable puppet baffoons who will flip flop at every opportunity, break their promises, bend to public opinion like rubber as if they had no opinion of their own. And no, as a politician, your job shouldn't be to religiously take everything the majority says and apply it. Your job is, ideally, to know what is best for the people and to convince them through persuasion alone that this is the right course of action. To do otherwise means to commit to actions you know are wrong just to satisfy the masses. And this is what politicians do in the overwhelming majority of cases. They only tell what they think the population wants to hear and do only things that are politically profitable - this ends with always avoiding the hard issues and trying to throw the hot potato to the next election cycle. Backbone is at a premium now, and I'm sure Thatcher was no saint, she had inconsistencies, some of which I'm aware, some of which I'm probably not, but she had backbone.

I would highly prefer if people actually discussed her stances and policies as opposed to casually proclaiming her the heir of Satan. So how about it?
david s
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david s 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1193C
I'm writing a paper for one of my classes right now. A paper on the privatization of water. I'm going to refer to Margaret Thatcher as a "half reptile half vampire mythological creature of English origin". I wish I had better metaphorical ways to describe someone as evil, but "devil", "Satan" and "demon" are all overused. Also, I mean no offense to reptiles, but I see no other way that could be interpreted other than as offensive. I'm sorry to all the snakes, lizards and other reptiles I have offended.
Silanine
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Silanine 25 United States ISTJ 6w5 46C
You could try likening her actions (or what have you) to something that only a monster or inhuman thing would do, like saying that she devours the blood of innocents... since that's what vampires do... Although, in all fairness, I don't know anything about her. I guess she probably privatized water...
david s
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david s 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1193C
True... That's actually a really good way to think of it. I could compare her to a zombie as well, mindlessly consuming the flesh of children or something.
Data9795
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!!  Data9795 20 Italy PhlegmaticSanguine INFP 5w4 197C
Hey, hey, children eating is copyrighted by Communists!
david s
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david s 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1193C
Haha! Good one! Everyone knows communists don't believe in individual ownership, though, so it'd be the capitalists who have the copyright there. ;P
Data9795
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!!  Data9795 20 Italy PhlegmaticSanguine INFP 5w4 197C
Well, they could have copyrighted it as group of people, making it shared wealth and not limiting it to a single subject. That would still work well with communist ideals, no?
david s
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david s 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1193C
Except communists believe that things belong to everyone in equal amounts, so ownership of things is an outside concept. Plus, a copyright is literally just saying "This is mine and if you use it, it's forbidden.". If a group owns something and copyrights it, that's one of the most capitalist things. That's what companies do all the time, after all.

If I had to guess, I'd say Coca-Cola or Nestle are the ones with the copyright on eating children.
Tama Yoshi
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Tama Yoshi 24 Canada PhlegmaticCholeric INTJ 513 472C
Quite certainly the most anti-Thatcher song I have ever heard.

∞ YouTube ∞

But it's french :3
david s
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david s 25 United States MelancholicCholeric ISFJ 621 1193C
Gah! This is a rare moment that I wish I could understand French!
Tama Yoshi
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Tama Yoshi 24 Canada PhlegmaticCholeric INTJ 513 472C
Well, I can try to translate, but there's some heavy slang underneath. The first paragraph reads

Woman of the world or whore
Whom often are the same
Normal woman, star or (blood?)
Females of all genres I love you
But to the last of idiots
I give you these few lines
From my disgust of men
And of their barbaric morals
Because no woman on earth
Will ever be worse than her brother
Nor prouder, nor more dishonest,
Except perhaps Madam Thatcher