Interest - 12-year-olds

Originally created by A β Pseudolonewolf
6 years ago.

on 15 Roots

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newstomper
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newstomper 21 United States MelancholicCholeric INTJ 514 421C
I've figured something out. I like 12-year-olds on this site, generally. I hate 12 year olds on Kongregate (first off Kong is 13+; yet they still show up) and other game things. It seems like they're all immature brats who are there to win a game and mess with as many people as possible while they do it.

I think this aspect would be better as "12-year-old mindset" or "maturity level of a 12-year-old", as that's what is really up for hate.
Minorisa
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Well, I guess as one of the few publicly declared 12 year olds on this site, I should put in my two cents; I say "publicly declared" because I know that a lot of others my age would be hesitant to declare themselves as so because of the possibility of discrimination and such. I'm assuming that most people listing 12 year olds as a dislike have in mind the stereotypical attention-whoring brat with horrible English. I'd agree with them. Heck, I hate myself sometimes.

There are also those people who don't strictly hate 12 year olds, but who would just rather stay away from them due to the inability to see eye to eye due to generational gaps and the closed world most of us live in, where everything revolves around school. I can empathize with that; I guess that's one of the reasons I'm usually silent in chat. Basically, I don't mind that this aspect is so disliked.

I hope I'm not coming across as a kid who thinks he's more than a kid, which Pseudo's discussed in his blog post "I'm so mature!".
Drac0Jawn
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  Spoiler for when i was a kid:


Everyone seems to be adding children, and 12 year olds to their dislikes, but keep in mind there are good kids out there. It would make more sense for you to add "Spoiled kids" instead.

This is being very stereotypical. It's like saying Canadians always yell out "EH!" or that only black men rob houses.

Also take the time to think about this: Weren't we all this age at one point anyway? Were you any more/less mature then them? Maybe some people were mature, but some weren't.

Think about it.

Goodbye, Fighunter. I wish you good day. ( Calling it now, this is probably going to get low FLIGS. )
mount2010
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mount2010 32 Singapore CholericPhlegmatic INTJ 6w5 9C
Yes,I was one of your type too.At 10,I understood the stock market... At 12,which is this"much hated" age,I understood politics,so being 12-year-olds are not that bratty.
Hermione13
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I just wanted to say..... This is bad to do.. You are being very stereotypical! It's like saying that all 21 year olds are drunkards! Or all 15 year olds are stupid! There is nothing wrong with 12 year olds! Each person is unique in their own way.
lazarony
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lazarony 30 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
I think your failure to grasp the distaste for typical idiosyncrasies present in many youths is quite exemplary of the problem many members of FH have with said youths.
Hermione13
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Meh. I am just saying that you shouldn't be stereotypical. It's like saying all French are really romantic and creepy. (No offense, French people) They are not! I have a few friends who are French and they are really cool!
lazarony
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lazarony 30 United States CholericSanguine ESTJ 8w7 503C
While, in most cases, stereotypes are far more hurtful than they are productive, I'd like to make the following two points:
1) Stereotypes exist for a reason; there was some veracity to the majority of stereotypes, or else they would not exist.
2) Stereotyping twelve year olds (or any youths, like early teens, for example) is based more on experience than on bigotry, as you have implied. We were all twelve once, and we understand that there are a great many things that the vast majority of the populace does not understand at that age. When you add in the common outspoken, "know-it-all" attitude of many youths of today, you have a lovely little bundle of irritation without much substance. Hence the "Hate by 5 People."
Hermione13
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Well, in my opinion, 12 year olds can sometimes be annoying, I know... But other times they are quite fun! The law clearly states that all persons are liable to say what they believe, about whatever they want. Now if you said you were going to kill someone.... then that, is against the law. But 12 year olds should be on the internet, also. Some are immature, I agree, but some of them could be really responsible! But, again, that is only my opinion....
SavageWolf
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SavageWolf 23 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTP 666 402C
I suppose it should be pointed out that it is illegal in the US for anyone to collect information from any under 13 year olds, like on a website or such. Also, people DON'T have the right to say whatever they want. I'm assuming that's what you meant, right, because "liable" means something different. Anyway, the constitution thing in the US says that GOVERNMENTS are forbidden from imposing restrictions on free speech. Private corporations and individuals can kick out anyone they want (Unless they are being racist or anything), for whatever reason.
Ribbit
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A lot of people are getting themselves inappropriately worked up on this. Nobody (as I interpret it) actively hates 12 year olds. Why, that would be ridiculous because everybody was or will be at some point a 12 year old.

Let's take pseudo as an example. As far as I got hold of this issue he does not hate/dislike 12 year olds per se. He just dislikes talking to them or having to act around them all naturally. Which is perfectly understandable because different generations just are, behave and think different from one another. This has little to do with actual intelligence, education or 'maturity'. The one thing about 12 year olds which is for sure is that they all lived for twelve years. Not less not more. No matter how intelligent they are or aren't and no matter how many different things they may have experienced so far in their life, many 12 year olds have probably experienced far more interesting things than I for example, it does not change the fact that they simply are younger.

That is no bad thing. It is perfectly fine. But as a mid-twenty person it is just impossible to have serious eye-to-eye conversations with children. This has nothing to do with the internet by the way. I for example know this from my table tennis club because there I teach children table tennis. I can talk with them and everything just fine, we get along and so on, but it's just a very different matter than talking to same-aged persons. No 12 year old has the same sorrows and life issues as a 25 year old and the other way round, that's for sure. The age difference gets less important with older people. For example there isn't to much a difference between 50 year olds and 60 year olds but a big difference between 2 year olds and 3 year olds.

And when all these 12 year olds simply don't understand this simple matter and act spoiled and insist on being 'mature' and intelligent enough to make all this undone (and as I said this has nothing to with that ) one can maybe perhaps grow to dislike them. Imagine yourself in real life: You are a 12 year old and hang around with your friends and then a 5 year old arrives and wants to talk with you about, I dunno what are 12 year olds talking about nowadays, lessay pokémon and the only thing the 5 year old knows about pokémon is that pikachu is yellow. Stupid example but wouldn't that annoy you?

I'm pretty sure I couldn't express myself well enough again -_- .
mount2010
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mount2010 32 Singapore CholericPhlegmatic INTJ 6w5 9C
You are correct.Being 12 is exactly the same as being 13,minus one.
Lazulus
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Lazulus 19 Ireland MelancholicCholeric INTJ 5w6 41C
As one of the younger members of the site, I feel I should add my two cents here.
To me, when you say 'I hate 12-year-olds. >:(', it feels that you're being a bit quick to judge there, that you hate every 12-year-old ever. It just sounds incredibly ageist and stereotypical of you and, frankly, it's a simple pet peeve of mine. By the time Mozart was twelve, he'd composed a Latin drama. Gregory Smith had already been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize. There's a 12-year-old in America who's written 5 full-length symphonies! And for fun, he turns famous classical music upside down and plays it note-/perfect/!
Alright, I admit that a lot of people do fit the stereotype, but that still doesn't give you an excuse to hate on *every single one of them that comes along*. Hey, maybe someday if you ever have children, they'll be treated exactly how you treated the generation of today. And then you'll be sorry you're the ones who */created/* it!

...Deep breaths Lazulus, deep breaths.

...I'm getting a bit worked up at this point, so I'll drop it here. I just feel that when it comes to these things, you should judge by actions, not looks.
Abbx
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Abbx 22 Pakistan SanguineMelancholic ENFJ 3w4 573C
HATE- Too loud and blunt a word, especially to describe some who's bound to be 'immature' or 'childish.'
You can't blame someone for being just the way they are supposed to be, and I think it'd help to just accept it. It's also really sad how I see people hating 12-year old for being immature, and then hating them because they try to be mature so as to fit in...
grayson816
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who even gives a flying fladoodle? school system isnt failing for most places in usa btw, just the students and parents.
Cestrie
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Being twelve years old is not necessarily a bad thing. The people of the internet generally dislike the children of today's society due to all of the rotten TV shows, high teen pregnancy rates, and low quality school systems bringing kids up to be stupid. It's entirely possible for there to be a twelve-year-old who is mature and intelligent, but until they demonstrate that they are so, they won't get any respect. By enforcing stereotypes about twelve-year-olds, you forfeit any respect you have gained.

I think it probably stemmed from the fact that most websites require you to be at least thirteen years old before you can enter and post and whatnot. Twelve-year-olds who went on such websites would usually be quiet about it. There's no reason to show off your age, so they usually would just go along with the website and act like everyone else without drawing attention to their age. To draw attention to their age would be pointless, stupid, and immature. "Hey guys I lied about my age I'm thirteen I'm such a hacker, right?" No. In this way, the twelve-year-olds who fit the stereotypes were well known as being twelve, and those who did not fit the stereotypes had not drawn attention to the fact that they were twelve.
SavageWolf
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SavageWolf 23 United Kingdom CholericMelancholic INTP 666 402C
I think it's because of the fact that, on the internet at least, they act like know it alls. To be blunt, you don't know it all. You think you do, but you don't. You will at some point, but not now. I am fed up of entering debates about philosophy, morality and religion to be met with a know-it-all 14 year old to cut down my arguments with ones that don't even make sense half the time. Hmm... I bet I seem like this to like 25 year olds!

Think about it as if some 35 year old started hangin' around with your friends and tried to be cool, misusing slang and all that, would you criticise him for being too old to understand you?

Yes, there may be a few mature 12 year olds that can hold a good argument (Leaf springs to mind), yes, but I think the overwhelming majority can't. If you know of any, could you tell me?

Also, FYI, if you are 12 and pregnant, uh, see a doctor, okay?
Cestrie
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When I think of an internet twelve-year-old, I'm usually thinking of someone with poor typing skills, faulty logic, and a demand for attention, not necessarily someone who is twelve years of age.

I agree that there are many know-it-alls on the internet, but not all of them are in the twelve-to-fourteen age range. I know an eleven-year-old who cannot explain her logic no matter how she tries, and will simply laugh and resort to silly excuses when her argument is countered. I know an eleven-year-old who can explain himself thoroughly and quickly, and will acknowledge when he loses an argument. I know a twelve-year-old who can deliver a point very well and easily, but will resort to unreliable logic and occasional insults when he loses. I know a sixteen-year-old who can't deliver more than one point in an argument and will resort to that same point repeatedly. I know another sixteen-year-old who has good points but takes a while to explain them.
What I'm saying is that there are lots of know-it-alls and lots of people who are good at debates regardless of the age.