Interest - Suicide

Originally created by CanadianRocker
5 years ago.

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donutsizzle
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I hate suicide because I hate that people I know have been hurting so badly that they thought suicide was the only answer, and I hate that people I have known are no longer here.

What is not to hate about suicide? Sure, I believe in freedom. I also believe I want my friends to not feel the way one feels when one attempts suicide, and I also wish I could call someone one the phone who I can no longer call on the phone ever again.

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But, I'm not going to put it on my profile. My profile is a happy place.
Khanster
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Khanster 19 United Kingdom MelancholicPhlegmatic INFJ 417 18C
This is really out of the blue. What about suicide do people hate? I can understand that people might think no one has the right to take their own life; but are there any other reasons people might disagree with the concept of suicide?

EDIT: I cannot believe I said 'taken'.
DarthKitty
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DarthKitty 22 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 153 337C
I dunno. I'm always really sad when I hear someone was or nearly was driven to suicide. Maybe it's that they dislike that people feel that sad/useless/etc.?

I doubt that most of these people dislike people who commit suicide, just by the nature of this site. Although I've met such people in real life.... :(
felipe970421
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When you kill somebody, the crime is not just against the person, it's against his/her family, friends, coworkers, etc, killing yourself only hurts the people who love you, it's a sure way to leave a trail of sadness as you escape your problems. I don't say people who commit suicide are bad, no doubt they had their reasons, but they are somewhat selfish.
DarthKitty
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DarthKitty 22 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 153 337C
Of course they're intercourseing selfish! Just like somebody having a intercourseing heart attack is selfish for gasping in pain and clutching at their chest! In such situations, what choice do you have but to be selfish? What, are you just supposed to magically turn off instinct?

This sort of thing drives me up the intercourseing wall, because it shows a basic presumption: mental disorders aren't important.
felipe970421
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Calm down, I understand that they have a mental disorder, and that they are NOT entirely to blame, but that does not excuse all the suffering they cause to get out of their problems, suicide is a tricky can of worms, but I stand firm by my statement than people who commit suicide are selfish.

To me, committing suicide is at the same level as murder (perhaps a notch down), yes, murderers may have good reasons to kill, or else mental disorders, but that doesn't mean they have a "get out of jail free" card
DarthKitty
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DarthKitty 22 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 153 337C
Let me see if I understand your reasoning:
1) When somebody dies, the people who loved that person feel sad.
2) Therefore, death is a bad thing.

3) People are absolutely responsible for every action they commit.
4) Killing someone is an action, and, by definition, causes a death.
5) Therefore, killing someone is a bad thing, and people who kill others should be punished.

6) You are someone.
7) Therefore, killing yourself is killing someone.
8) Therefore, killing yourself is as bad as killing someone, and deserves equal punishment.

My main problem is, I think, with argument 3). I believe that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, and that we cannot necessarily blame somebody for every action they take.

You have presented me with a double bind: I do not think somebody who commits a murder because they have a mental disorder should simply be let free. I do not think such a person should be punished equally to a person who committed a murder and did not have a mental disorder. I agree with neither of the two options you have presented me with, nor do I agree with the fallacy you have employed.

I think such a person should receive medical treatment, whatever that entails.
Kenji
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Suicide isn't a selfish act in general. There is a wide variety of reasons for suicide and generalizations like yours are not only insensitive but also far from the truth.
Maybe a person feels unwanted, a burden for all the surrounding people and commits suicide because of that. Is that selfish?
People who want to commit suicide may not perceive the real world as it is (for various reasons) and thus see no other solution. Is that selfish?
People may be in incredible pain (physically or mentally). Can you blame them if they want it to stop?

Felipe, reflect on the matter and don't judge too quickly. Other people's problems always appear trivial. People usually aren't responsible for their own (mental) health.

In addition to that, everyone has full rights over their own body and can do with it whatever the hell they want, including suicide. I see no reason to take that right away. Or to criticise people who used it.
DarthKitty
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DarthKitty 22 United States MelancholicPhlegmatic INTP 153 337C
As it happens, many people who are suicidal believe that they would be doing the world a favor by ceasing to exist, as backwards as that may seem to somebody healthy.
felipe970421
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[Response to Darth and Kenji]

You're right, I think what happened here is that I was only thinking of it in terms of the friends and family, and not of the person who commits suicide.

I do think it's a bad thing to do, a "sin" if you will (though I'm not religious). It hurts people, and harms the world in general, but it is true that selfish was not the word for it, I understand that a person going through that has good (in their eyes) reasons to do it, but it still feels wrong to me.
newstomper
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newstomper 20 United States MelancholicCholeric INTJ 514 421C
I've always felt like suicide is giving up on yourself. Like you're saying, "intercourse everything, it's not gonna get better, I'm not gonna try anymore." I could never be driven to commit suicide. I've been asked to do it, and I said no, because that's not who I am.

I agree with felipe that they are in a way selfish, but they have to put their own wants ahead of their family so I dismiss that argument.

I don't think anyone should ever commit suicide for the reason I've stated. I feel like it's giving up on yourself, your life, and everyone in that life. So that's why I hate it. Because I hate to see people give up.